Can God use a tornado?

Lutheran steeple

Wednesday, while Lutherans were meeting at the Minneapolis Convention Center to discuss the issue of homosexuality within their denomination, a tornado struck and “severely damaged the convention center roof, shredded the tents, broke off the steeple of Central Lutheran, split what’s left of the steeple in two…and then lifted.”

A pastor in the Minneapolis/St Paul area has “ventured an interpretation of this Providence with some biblical warrant” suggesting…
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What Matters More?

Derek Webb’s new song is getting a lot of talk around the Interwebs these days.

I think the song is great. And I could care less about who his “target audience is.” I think it’s got a great challenging message.
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Doom and gloom for SBC?

Outgoing SBC President Frank Page suggests that the Southern Baptist Convention should make some changes or the denomination will see a drastic reduction in numbers.

From the MondayMorningInsight:

“If we don’t start paying attention to the realities … by the year 2030, we will be proud to have 20,000 rather than 44,000 Southern Baptist churches.” That’s a quote from outgoing Southern Baptist Convention President Frank Page recently. According to a report in the Tennessean.com, Page believes the 16.2 million-member convention faces the same challenges that bedeviled other Protestant denominations — lower birthrates, aging demographics and a culture increasingly hostile to Christianity. In response, churches tend to circle the wagons and hang on for dear life.

“You’ve got massive numbers,” he said, “maybe not a majority but massive numbers of evangelical churches out there, yes, Southern Baptists also, who are small groups of older white people holding on till they die.”

Page says more outreach is needed in the SBC. He further suggests that the convention must embrace diversity if it hopes to survive. It must be more welcoming to ethnic groups and younger generations.

From Tennessean.com:

One of Page’s major tasks as president has been to change the public image of the convention. Too many people perceive Southern Baptists as mean-spirited, angry conservatives, he said. That image, he believes, is based on political talking heads and Republican culture warriors, and not on the actions of ordinary Southern Baptists.

He’s particularly angered at the actions of Westboro Baptist Church, a Kansas-based congregation known for spewing hatred toward homosexuals and for protesting at military funerals.

“People have said, ‘Does it bother you that they are called Baptist?’ ” he said. “I say, it bothers me even more that they are called a church. Remove the Baptist from the issue or the argument. To call yourself a church should hold you to a very high calling and high standard that they do not live to.” …

While Page teaches that homosexual behavior is sinful, he also focuses on other sexual sins. If a couple comes to the church and is living together, the church insists the couple gets married before they can become members. And the church has gay people who attend, but are not members as well. Page says the church is not going to turn anyone away.

“We have people that are living together, we have homosexuals who come here, and who are not joining, because they are loved and cared for and they hear the Gospel,” he said. “We say you are welcome here. Do we have some requirements for membership? Yes. We are not going to back off those. But if you don’t meet those or don’t want to meet those, we are still going to love you.”

That kind of attitude exists in many Southern Baptist congregations, Page says, and that gives him hope for the future of the convention.

He describes himself as cautiously optimistic, believing that most Baptists would rather love their neighbors than bash them with the Bible.

(side note: The Nick & Josh podcast have a great interview with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church. Listen to Pt 1 & Pt 2)

Born that way?

Listening to E. Scott Jones on the Homebrewed Christianity Podcast.

Interesting tidbit here… he says that the original idea behind the “we were born that way” argument about homosexuality was originally brought up by those against homosexuality.

The reason being, that if they were “born that way” then they were different and they could then justify treating them differently.

It would be similar to the white supremacist knowing a black man was born black or that a sexist knows women were born as women.

They know they’re born different and that’s how they can justify treating them differently.

Interesting thoughts from Moby

Moby’s blog is always a fun read. You never know what you’ll find. Some stuff I agree with, some I disagree with (especially his gripes against Mike Huckabee :-))

Anyways, here’s some of his recent thoughts from SXSW in Austin re: an Oklahoma State Rep:

hi, i’m here in austin and enjoying the fact that it’s warm and i’m also checking the news and lo and behold i find this little gem:

AP – OKLAHOMA CITY – A Republican member of the Oklahoma Legislature, Rep. Sally Kern, stated recently that “the homosexual agenda is just destroying this nation” and poses a bigger threat to the U.S. than terrorism or Islam.

“According to God’s word that is not the right kind of lifestyle,” Rep. Sally Kern of Oklahoma City said during an appearance before a group of Republicans.

Kern says in the recorded comments. “It is not a lifestyle that is good for this nation.”

ok, where to begin…

how about this simple question: what did jesus(presumably sally kern’s god)say about homosexuality? let’s see…nothing? yup, nothing. dear sally kern: jesus never mentioned homosexuality. allow me to put it a different way, perhaps in question form…how many times did jesus mention homosexuality? oh(to be conversational), none? yup none. never. not once. zero. he did mention divorce(saying it was bad), and capitalism(ditto: bad), and judgementalism and intolerance(again: bad), and forgiveness(good). but homosexuality? never mentioned by jesus in the gospels. so why are the religious right in the u.s so utterly obsessed with homosexuality? and how is the homosexual agenda(whatever that might be)destroying the nation? i mean, if evangelicals call themselves christians shouldn’t they sort of base their evangelical agenda on the things that christ actually said?

ok, back to sxsw in sunny austin.

moby