grace vs accountability

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Just read an interesting and good post by Mark Batterson about accountability for leaders in the church.

It comes at an interesting time after having read Chp. 9 in The Ragamuffin Gospel.

Batterson points out that II Timothy 3:2 says, “The overseer must be above reproach.”

Being above reproach means having well-defined boundaries that we are held accountable to. I never want to do anything to compromise my calling at NCC so I submit my speaking opportunities to our stewardship team. I decide what invitations to accept. But I am alloted 30 speaking days. That helps me in two ways. First of all, it helps me say no. And that is something I have a very difficult time doing! And it keeps me accountable. I’m grateful for the opportunities to influence the kingdom of God at large. And I don’t take it for granted. I want to make sure I’m a good steward of every opportunity.

Brennan Manning on the other hand talks about giving grace and love to all.

If we believe in the exciting message of Jesus, if we hope in vindication, we must love, and even more, we must run the risk of being loved… God wants us back even more that we could possibly want to be back.

Manning then talks about the woman caught in adultery and Jesus’ response.

Now get the picture. Jesus didn’t ask her if she was sorry. He didn’t demand a firm purpose of amendment. He didn’t seem too concerned that she might dash back into the arms of her lover. She just stood there and Jesus gave her absolution before she asked for it. The nature of God’s love for us is outrageous… I don’t think anyone reading this would have approved of throwing rocks at the poor woman in adultery, but we would have made darn sure she presented a detailed act of contrition and was firm in her purpose of amendment. Because if we let her off without saying she was sorry, wouldn’t she be back in adultery before sunset? No the love of our God isn’t dignified at all, and apparently that’s the way he expects our love to be… once we’ve accepted it, he expects us to behave the same way with others.

The two writers seem to be at odds with each other. Or are they? Are we to give grace and love to everyone but our leaders in the church? Seems as though they are required to live above reproach. But what about when they do fall?

Goethe said, “Men will always be making mistakes as long as they are striving for something.” Is that reason enough to let them off the hook? Or should they be held accountable for their actions while someone coming to church on Sunday without getting involved is loved and forgiven over and over again?

To put it on a broader sense, should a kid who commits murder be held to the same accountability and punishment as an adult?

These are some of the things I’m juggling through my head today. What are your thoughts?

re: Ragamuffin thoughts

fall from grace - todd baker

Been a while since I’ve updated much on The Ragamuffin Gospel – of course it would help if I’d read it over the last week or so.

I hope I’m not repeating anything here but some great stuff in this book so it’s worth repeating if I have.

Manning: Salvation is joy in God which expresses itself in joy in and with one’s neighbor.

Reminds me of one of the themes Rob Bell spoke on in Dallas recently. Part of accepting grace is giving grace to those around us as well. Loving our neighbor as ourselves. Oh how we I miss this point so often.

Manning: We miss Jesus’ point entirely when we use His words as weapons against others. They are to be taken personally by each of us.

Manning: The deeper we grow in the Spirit of Jesus Christ, the poorer we become – the more we realize that everything in life is a gift… The poor in spirit are the most nonjudgemental of peoples; they get along well with sinners.

Manning: Grace abounds in contemporary movies, books, novels, films and music. If God is not in the whirlwind, he may be in a Woody Allen film or a Bruce Springsteen concert (or a U2 concert). Most people understand imagery and symbol better than doctrine and dogma. (related post: Christian is a poor adjective)

Manning: while sin and war, disease and death are terribly real, God’s loving presence and power in our midst are even more real.

Manning: The gospel of grace is brutally devaluated when Christians maintain that the transcendent God can only properly be honored and respected by denying the goodness and truth and beauty of the things of this world. Amazement and rapture should be our reaction to God revealed as Love…. where justice ends, love begins and reveals that God is not interested merely in the dividends of the covenant.

referring to what Jesus told the Pharisees and others:
Manning: These sinners, these people you despise are nearer to God than you. It is not the hookers and thieves who find it most difficult to repent: it is you who are so secure in your piety and pretense that you have no need of conversion. They may have disobeyed God’s call, their professions have debased them, but they have shown sorrow and repentance. But more than any of that, these are the people who appreciate His goodness.

Manning: Grace tells us that we are accepted just as we are. We may not be the kind of people we want to be, we may be a long way from our goals, we may have more failures than achievements, we may not be wealthy or powerful or spiritual, we may not even be happy, but we are nonetheless accepted by God, held in His hands.

Manning: Christianity happens when men and women accept with unwavering trust that their since have not only been forgiven but forgotten, washed away in the blood of the Lamb.

Matthew 25:40.. “insofar as you did this to one of the least of these brothers of min, you did it to me”

Manning: Quite simply, our deep gratitude to Jesus Christ is manifested neither in being chaste, honest, sober and respectable, nor in church-going, Bible toting and Psalm-singing, but in our deep and delicate respect for one another.

Manning: The ministry of evangelization is an extraordinary opportunity of showing gratitude to Jesus by passing on his gospel of grace to others. However, the ‘conversion by concussion’ method with one sledge hammer blow of the Bible after another betrays a basic respect for the dignity of the other and is utterly alien to the gospel imperative to bear witness. To evangelize a person is to say to him or her: you, too, are loved by God in the Lord Jesus. And not only to say that but to really think it and relate to it to the man or woman so they can sense it.

You may want to read that one again. I’ve read it several times. (related posts: And it was good, Quote(s) of the day,Everything Must Change: Chp 1 :: Hope Happens

A message purporting to be the best news in the world should be doing better than this.

re: Ragamuffin thoughts


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Finished chapters 3 and 4 tonight after our community group (on a side note I think I’m feeling a bit queasy after an e-mail I just received)…

Here are some more quotes I loved from Manning:

We miss Jesus’ point entirely when we use his words as weapons against others. They are to be taken personally by each of us.

The trouble with our ideals is that if we live up to all of them, we become impossible to live with.

…we don’t comprehend the love of Jesus Christ. Oh, we see a movie and resonate to what a young man and woman will endure for romantic love. We know that when the chips are down, if we love wildly enough we’ll fling life and caution to the winds for the one we love. But when it comes to God’s love in the broken, blood-drenched body of Jesus Christ, we get antsy and start to talk about theology, divine justice, God’s wrath and the heresy of universalism.

The saved sinner is prostrate in adoration, lost in wonder and praise. He knows repentance is not what we do in order to earn forgiveness; it is what we do because we have been forgiven. … the sequence of forgiveness and then repentance, rather than repentance and then forgiveness, is crucial for understanding the gospel of grace.

I LOVE THAT! How true and how often we forget. “You must repent and live up to our guidelines for membership before we’ll forgive you.” “You must repent and clean yourself up before we’ll let you into our fellowship.” “You can’t hold on to any of your bad habits if you want to be a part of our fellowship.” Oh if only each of us could understand God’s grace.

“Grace, grace. God’s grace. Grace that is greater than all my sins. Grace, grace. God’s grace. Grace that will pardon and cleanse within.”

This Ain’t Your Daddy’s Church

This ain’t your father’s church

By JONATHAN BLUNDELL Daily Light staff writer
Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:16 PM CDT

You walk into a large dimly-lit ballroom at the Waxahachie Civic Center and notice a hard rock music video playing on a large screen in the center of the room.
People are milling around the room, drinking coffee and meeting new friends.
Images of crosses, Jesus and candles flash on the screen as the video continues.
Once the video fades to black a group of musicians walk on stage wearing shorts, t-shirts and flip flops.
They begin to rock out to “Jesus music” and as the lead guitarist breaks into a guitar solo, you realize this is something different.
This is Encounter – and this ain’t your father’s church.
Utilizing a live band, a different setting and relevant messages during their Sunday gatherings, Encounter has more than doubled in size since it began meeting at the Civic Center last September.
“We try and show people that Christ is relevant in their lives today,” Pastor Brian Treadway said. “The setting’s a little different – we turn the lights down and let you bring coffee in during the service. The format’s a little different than a traditional church but we’re not compromising the message.
“In the traditional church setting, I think people have been turned off by a feeling that they have to somehow measure up. People feel like they have to act a certain way or else they’ll be judged and condemned. People are also turned off by the language the church uses, the technical terms or Christianese. There’s a sense that the people in churches are plastic or phony and no one wants to be part of a group where they have to pretend about who they are.”
Encounter began nearly two years ago as a Saturday night outreach service at Ovilla Road Baptist Church.
“There was a group within the church who recognized that many in today’s generation have tried traditional church and it’s not meeting their needs,” Treadway said. “It doesn’t match their style or meet their needs. Many have been hurt, burned in or bored by church, so they just sit at home and turn their backs on church and on God.”
The leaders of ORBC saw a need and decided to create a service for those the traditional churches were not reaching out to.
“Our goal was to create a place for the people turned off by traditional church to find a place they would be accepted and where they could find Christ – and fall back in love with him or fall in love with him for the first time,” Treadway said.
After nearly a year of Saturday night services in Ovilla, the church leaders made the decision for Encounter to venture out on its own, with a Sunday gathering.
“We made the transition to Sunday after I felt an inward calling and the other leaders in the church recognized we would be more effective as a separate church,” Treadway said. “Our goal is to simplify the church and to remove the bureaucracy you see in many of today’s churches. When you come to church it shouldn’t be about what clothes you’re wearing, who’s sitting by who or who’s on what committee. It’s about a relationship with God.”
And Encounter is built around strengthening relationships, both with God and with mankind.
“People today have a longing for developing relationships,” Treadway explained. “That’s why Starbucks, Barnes and Nobles and other places have developed places where people can come and sit, talk and enjoy community. We live in a hi-tech world but there’s a longing for hi-touch. We want to encourage an environment where people are sharing their lives. We don’t have it nailed yet but I think it’s encouraging to see people meeting in homes instead of in an education building. There’s something about a home that’s warm and comforting and conclusive to sharing life.”
To improve those relationships, Encounter has worked to focus on community groups, a change from the traditional Sunday school hour. Groups meet in homes during the week and focus on a variety of topics, including overcoming addiction, creating community and a group specifically geared toward new believers.
“We were looking for a change in the traditional Sunday school format,” Treadway said. “We were looking for a more fluid format. People have a desire to live in community and in transparency with others. We want to provide a level and environment for relationships rather than sitting and listening to someone teach every week.”
Treadway admits that his passion for Encounter comes not only from a higher calling, but from his own spiritual struggles.
“My own experiences following Christ had become very rule based and routine and a man made standard,” Treadway said. “Once I discovered that I’m accepted by grace, it changed my perspective. As a church we want to break the bondage of legalism. Many people approach their walk that way. Our drive is to set people free from the bondage of rule-based relationships. We want people excited about church and God and want them to serve out of passion and not duty.”
When the church began, 80 people from ORBC joined Treadway to start Encounter. Today, more than 200 people meet weekly at the Waxahachie Civic Center.
“The cowboy churches are similar in approach – just a different flavor,” Treadway said. “Other pastors in the area have been very supportive. I’ve heard some concerns, but upon their own investigation they see we’ve changed the method, but in doctrine we’ve remained the same. When we focus on Christ, that’s where we’ve seen the greatest growth.”
And like the Cowboy Churches, affiliation with a particular denomination is limited.
“You won’t see the word Baptist on our signs or in our advertising,” Treadway said. “You won’t hear the phrase on Sunday morning because it’s one of the stumbling blocks people have with the church today. Our only affiliation with Southern Baptists is our basic doctrinal belief and the fact that until September of this year, we receive financial support from the Baptist General Convention of Texas. They understand that we won’t advertise our Baptist connection and they don’t have a problem with that.”
And while building relationships with others at Encounter, Treadway also encourages members to build their relationship in the community as well.
He tells the story of walking into a mega-mart and getting help from none of the employees.
“If the employees ignore the customers then I think they’re missing the point,” he explains. “In the same way I have to ask myself, ‘Has the church of the living God been guilty of the same thing? Are we too busy with staying in fellowship with one another and avoiding the evils of the world that we absolutely miss the point?’ Being a follower of God means getting out of your comfort zone. Scripture tells us to love the Lord your God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. We get so caught up in our own problems that we miss the point.
“We want our church to be involved in every aspect of life,” Treadway said. “How can we make an impact on the community? The essence of the Gospel is loving God and loving others more than yourselves. We should be rubbing shoulders with those in need and looking for ways we can serve outside our walls.”
The church has recently worked with Cowboy’s House in Oak Cliff and is looking to do future projects with Waxahachie CARE and other groups helping the needy in Ellis County.
Treadway said Encounter is simply a new approach to tell the Gospel story.
“We haven’t taken any church and copied it,” Treadway said. “Encounter is more of a conglomerate or melting pot of different ideas. I feel like we’re on the front edge of what God wants us to do.”
In the future, the leadership of Encounter hopes to be able to meet in its own building. Due to scheduling conflicts at the civic center, the church is occasionally forced to meet in other facilities.
“We’d love to have our own facility,” Treadway said. “Something that is non-traditional looking and something that allows for a flexible worship environment and an interactive experience with Christ. We also want a place where young people can come and meet during the week and our children’s ministry can continue as a vibrant part of our church. Our children’s ministry is a great draw to the church and Brad Hayes has done an amazing job incorporating his different characters to help tell the stories of the Bible in a way the children can understand. Kids are excited about coming to church. And it’s set up like a junior-Encounter. There’s lots of movement and activities they learn with.”
The rapid growth of the church has been a struggle for Treadway and the church leadership, but you won’t hear him complain.
“Our growth has occurred much faster than we originally thought,” Treadway said. “So we struggle with training and finding leaders. That’s been a challenge. The facilities we’re meeting in now have been a blessing. The civic center has been a great place to meet. But we’ve put together a team and dedicated so many of our resources to finding our future facility that my workload has greatly increased. But even with the extra work, I wouldn’t trade it for anything.”
Treadway finds reward in his work while watching lives change.
“The reward is in seeing lives changed,” Treadway said. “That’s the biggest joy. Getting to see marriages brought back together, hearing people say ‘Now I love coming to church,’ people finding their ‘passion groove’ – those are the things you think about as you lay your head down at night and say ‘Thank you God.’ ”
Encounter meets each Sunday at the Waxahachie Civic Center at 10:30 a.m.
For more information, visit www.encounterthis.com.

Good Friday thoughts

I thought this was a great post from Mark Batterson:

Good Friday

Since it’s Good Friday I thought I’d share a devotional thought:

Did Peter feel a twinge of guilt every time he heard a rooster crow?

There is a poignant scene right after Peter denied Christ. A rooster crows. And Luke 22:61 says, “At that moment, the Lord turned and looked at Peter.” I don’t think it was a vindictive look. I think Jesus wanted to establish eye contact to maintain relationship with Peter, but Peter went out and “wept bitterly.”

You know how certain sights or sounds or smells can trigger a memory? I’ve got to think that every time Peter heard a rooster crow he winced. It was a daily reminder of his failure. He was haunted by three denials.

Peter gets a bum rap. He is forever remembered as the disciple who denied Christ three times, but we forget the fact that he is the only one who got close enough to get caught. Peter is the disciple who sinks in the Sea of Galilee, but he is also the only disciple who walks on water! And Peter is the disciple who impulsively cut off Malchus’ ear when the religious leaders come to arrest Jesus. But I don’t see any of the other disciples coming to Jesus’ defense do you?

Lack of Evidence

All four gospels tell the story of Peter cutting off the right ear of Malchus, a servant of the high priest. Luke 22:51 says that Jesus “touched the man’s ear and healed him.”

Let me state the obvious: you don’t cut off someone’s ear and get by with it, especially if that someone is the High Priest’s servant. Worst case scenario: Peter gets charged with attempted murder. Best case scenario: Peter gets charged with assault and battery with a deadly weapon.

We tend to overlook this subplot, but Peter is in a world of trouble!

Then Jesus intervenes.

Somehow he reverses the irreversible. He reattaches the amputated ear. But he does more than heal this man’s ear. I love the way my friend and mentor, Dick Foth, puts it: “Jesus destroys the evidence against us.”

Stop and think about it.

Malchus files a civil suit against Peter and takes the witness stand. He says, “Peter cut off my ear.” The Judge says, “Which ear?” Malchus says, “My right one.” The Judge says, “It looks fine to me.” And the case gets thrown out of court for lack of evidence!

This isn’t just a story about Jesus and Peter and Malchus. It’s a picture of what Christ accomplished on the Christ. He destroyed the evidence against us. It’s like the Accuser of the Brethren brings charges against us, but the Judge says, “The evidence has been destroyed.” And the charges are dropped.

That’s why it’s called Good Friday.

Grace, it’s a name for a girl. It’s also a thought that changed the world.