Los wonders

I wonder.
I wonder how many people, if we actually asked them, keep coming back to our churches because of our stellar Sunday productions.
I wonder if we ask the right people.
I wonder if we stopped, for a while, if people would keep coming.
I wonder if we turned off the lights and pulled the band if more people would come or go.
I wonder if we flipped the teaching time and music time, if it would matter.
I wonder if first time visitors are more concerned with what happens outside the auditorium than what happens inside it.
I wonder if the things we’ve rebelled against are the exact things we’ve become.
I wonder if church buildings will ever be used more than 2% a week.
I wonder if there has been more energy put into our Easter weekend services than our neighbors on the left and right.

I wonder with all the talk of social justice, why those friends keep walking by homeless people without even a smile.
I wonder when we will stop arguing about how to run the church and begin to start running our families.
I wonder how disrespected my dad feels by my generation of preachers saying his way is the wrong way.
I wonder how disrespected my generation of preachers will feel when our kids say our way is the wrong way.
I wonder when church envy will be replaced with prayer for others to succeed.
I wonder if churches without buildings will ever realize how good they have it.
I wonder when church planting became an industry.
I wonder if we know that our opinions are just that, opinions.
I wonder if those who say my church is an inch deep and a mile wide know that they would actually drown in the inch we provide.

Excellent. I join him.

The question of multi-site churches

Over the last few weeks a group of guys in my tribe have been having a discussion via email about what it means to be a leader/pastor in a church.

Brian sent a link to an article from Pastors.com about multi-site churches today. The article raises some interesting points. He asked for our thoughts and thought I’d share them here and get your input as well.

Many churches across the country are moving beyond their original building to become one church in many locations. Some construct a beautiful new campus sporting state-of-the-art sound, light, and video systems at a cost of several million dollars. While this strategy is often successful, it sets the bar much too high for the average church considering a multi-site strategy. Few congregations can invest massive sums of money to open a second or third location, and with the current challenges in the economy, the number of churches is dwindling that can tap that level of cash. So how can an average church develop an affordable multi-site strategy?

I thought the article brought up some good ideas. I liked this statement…

We have discovered that the further the new campus is from the original site, the less you need to spend to replicate your original campus.

I think wherever the replication takes place, the site should take on the look/feel of the community its in. Whether its in Red Oak, Waco, Mesquite/Forney or Alaska – let the people coming help form what the church looks like, sounds like, feels like.

The article also points out ::

In a small group of 12 people, the only equipment you need is a good coffee maker. A group of 50 can have a great worship experience with an acoustic guitar and a microphone.

It just ads to the idea of a site replicating the culture/feel/ideas of where you’re at.

I saw a great video from Andrew Jones (tall skinny kiwi) yesterday about how to make pizza (I’m thinking about doing it one week with our community group leaders). He makes the point about how Jesus talks about two kinds of yeast. The yeast of the Kingdom and the yeast of the Pharisees. And as Christians, naturally we want to be the yeast of the Kingdom – always duplicating – bud emergence. He also says, if you want a great way to start a church – throw a pizza party. Gather up folks in a home, and eat pizza and then go from there.

One thing the article didn’t touch on was/is the technology aspects. Would encounter multi-site utilize the same messages across the board? Would it use a video taped message each week? Would we up our video streaming quality and use it? Or would the “pastor” of the multi-site church lead? Those are all options.

Also, talking with Eric Bryant (executive pastor at Mossaic in LA – author of Peppermint Filled Pinatas) this week for our podcast, I asked how they had such a large church and kept the gatherings personal. He said they have volunteers leading each multi-site who work very hard at meeting people, getting people plugged in and really pastoring those who come each week. He said there are times that people might slip through the cracks, but overall the volunteer staffs work to be sure each person feels just as welcome as they might in a group of 5 or 6.

(Watch some other thoughts with Eric and Erwin McManus :: http://vimeo.com/3427533)

I think that’s a great point and something we as “leaders” need to work on more and more each Sunday at encounter – multi site or not. Are we doing our best to talk with people, meet with people, lead people? Are we getting caught in the business of each Sunday where we miss the opportunity to hear someone’s story? Are we staying busy and avoiding hearing the spiritual/physical/emotional needs of those in our tribe?

Ubuntu community of faith

I think Ubuntu would be a great name for a community of faith:

A community with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.

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Tall Skinny Kiwi visits something beautiful

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Awesome guest this week on our podcast – in fact one of the first folks on our “Wish List” when we started the podcast – Tall Skinny Kiwi aka Andrew Jones.

I had a great chat with Andrew right before the New Year and we shared it this week for our listeners.

Andrew has been recognized by many as one of the top Christian/Church bloggers, but he describes himself as ::

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Me
Dad
Man
Pilgrim
Blogger
Husband
Crepe Chef
Video Jockey
Jesus Follower
Badminton Player
Director of Boaz Project
Medium Format Photographer
Missional Cell Developer for CMS

And Andrew had this to say about the podcast ::

…the podcast, which is hosted and commented on by some really wonderful people with interesting accents, I talk about my training, early mission experience, fundamentalist background as a street evangelist, the side-benefits of Bible smuggling, tinkering around with the early emerging church in the 80’s and 90’s, and I fess up to my particular heresies.

He had some great stories and great ideas that I’ve been chewing on since we chatted.

Like, “want to start a church — keep the Christians out” and “the biblical example of church is the church moving out and initiating from their house and not our house” and “follow us as we follow Christ.”

I don’t want to steal his thunder but its GOOOOD. So take an hour or so and get to know Andrew a bit better and then let us know what you think.

A chat with @existentialpunk

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I had a great chat with @existentialpunk today (aka Adele) via direct messages on Twitter. I approached her via DM about the chat and I think we were both a little confused on whether we would continue on DM or on the public site. Either way we were asked later about our conversation and she agreed to allow me to share it on my blog.

I’ve had a great time getting to know Adele and this was just another step in that direction.

She describes herself on her blog like so::

My name is Adele and “i am thomas, doubter. i am judas, betrayer. i am nicodemus, reluctant in the night. i am st. john of the cross, soul darkened by love. i am a christian. i am not.” i am also “lost, wicked, and depraved but redeemed by the grace and beauty of God.”

i am a traveler who currently resides in Richmond, VA with my partner and love of my life, Katryna, and our two dawgs, Lady Dalmation, and Mushu, our Tibetan Spaniel. i am currently going through long-term treatment for Chronic Lyme Disease, other tick borne diseases, and heavy metal toxicity.

You’ll also realize quickly that she’s homosexual and not ashamed to admit that or that she’s a very proud Christian as well. Some may see that as an impossible match, others will appreciate the honesty. Some will agree with one of us, others may not agree with either of us. Either way, I hope you’ll take a little time to read the conversation below and get to know and understand her and others a bit better.

As one final note, this of course was copied from a conversation from Twitter – which of course means each response was limited to 140-characters and some messages crossed paths as well. So while it may look lengthy, there’s probably not much that’s very profound, but I hope its a starting point for our conversation to continue and for others to begin.

Jdblundell: id love to talk more about your ideas via twitter replies (public). we’ll disagree on things im sure about
JB: but id like a better understanding and hopefully find a stronger common ground about
ExistentialPunk: that would be fantastic. i don’t mind disagreements as long as their is kindness and respect. i suspect that from you! 🙂
JB: i’d hope they all come in grace and kindness and if not – call me on it!
EP: Thnx for expressing this to me! 🙂
EP: i will as you do the same for me!
JB: do you believe that all homosexuals are born as homosexuals? do some choose to live that way?
EP: i believe both born and environmental. i do not believe we choose anymore than u choose to be straight!
JB: well that’s not a public reply 🙂 would you prefer dm?
EP: i replied i thought dm. sorry. i am an open book so either is ok with me.
JB: yeah you replied via Direct Message. which is fine with me. can you expound on “environmental”.
EP: environmental i mean having a safe and supportive environment to come out. i did not for many years and finallly did!
JB: so folks can’t don’t choose to be one way or the other?
EP: i do not believe that. i believe also we live on a kinsey scale and sexuality can be fluid. 1 person can be totally straight, 1 can b gay
EP: and others can fall in the middle. 1 can be attracted to either sex. It. for me, is about relationship and how we love.
JB: makes sense. i can understand that view. not sure im there yet (agree totaly) but i understand it.
JB: my command regardless is to love all as Christ as loved me. what response do you have 4 Xians who say your ignoring Scripture?
EP: i say they cherry pick as well and misinterpret scripture by not giving heed to historical & cultural contexts. Usually we go in circles.
EP: i come to a place of agreeing to disagree. All have a right to their opinions/beliefs. If someone will be mean or hurtful to me i stop
EP: stop talking to them cuz i just get mad and hurt. Not healthy. Open dialogue like we r having is great. It took me a long time to get here &
EP: i have yet to arrive. i hold my beliefs loosely in that i could be wrong but this is how i am living cuz 4 so long i did not live. i amhappy
JB: i can c that. find it interesting that folks used to say u were born gay as a way to dismiss – now they say you choose as way to dismiss
EP: peeps like to twist things to their pov! i think as humans we all do this!
EP: peeps don’t have to agree with me. i just want to b treated fairly, equally, and with love. Isn’t that what Jesus is all
JB: agreed. im very careful to ever claim to understand God fully or know him totally. this podcast was helpful :: http://ck83d.th8.us
JB: and i think its totally different when you put a name and a face to any issue. hard to dismiss the homeless when you know one of them about
JB: hard to dismiss illegal immigrants when you know one of them. hard to dismiss LGBT when you know one of them.
EP: Pete Rollins is a very good friend of mine. i will give this a listen later!
EP: ooops, not the podcast with Pete Rollins you meant. i will listen to BOTH! 🙂
EP: Give me some history b4 i listen.
JB: well the podcast is with E Scott Jones – they just refer to the Peter Rollins interview (which is also very good)
JB: the E Scott Jones interview was a followup to a lecture he gave at Wake Forest. Hes a homosexual minister in OKC
JB: one of the hosts of the show (@chadcrawford) is a good friend of mine from college.
JB: do you think the marriage issue would “go away” if the govt quit giving special rights to married folks all together?
EP: i am for calling ALLcivil unions and those who want to get married in a church, gay or straight, can IF church wants to. You get over 1100
EP: federal rights being a heterosexual who is allowed to marry. We married in CA and r in legal limbo & have NOFederal rights. DOMAkeeps our
EP: marriage from being recognized in other states if the state does not have gay marriage legal. Marriage for straights and civil unions make
EP: gays separate but equal.
EP: Not all states offer us civil unions and those that do vary on the rights. We have to pay for attorneys to file legal paperwork that comes 2
EP: you as a married staright couple naturally and legally! i blog about all this stuff!
JB: i think i agree with you. Civil Unions for the feds and marriage for churches to choose who they marry or wont. dont force a church to.
JB: and like you said – civil unions for everyone. not just LGBT. no special fed rights for being married.
EP: YES! That was the lie about Prop 8 that churches would be forced to marry gays and be in trouble for preaching against it. Why Rick Warren
EP: pick by Obama hurt our community so much. It felt like a slap in the face when we were already knocked down by prop 8 passage.
JB: gotcha. well i was reading Gen 15-23 today and thought i’d chat with you a bit about my questions. thanks for sharing!
EP: anytime and THANK YOU for making the time to get to know me! 🙂
JB: sure thing! i hope we can get you on our podcast sometime soon. i think thomas may be contacting you about it b4 too long
JB: and keep that promise. if i say things not in love or grace about anyone – call me on it!
EP: COOL! i would love to contribute! Thomas has become a dear friend who has ALWAYSbeen loving and inclusive to me. We have never met in person
EP: YET! He is a lovely guy and also love his wife too. How did you 2 get connected?
JB: we “met” back in 05 or 06 through our blogs and found numerous common interests and just continued our friendship
EP: Cool! We met same way about 3 or 4 years ago. What a neat soul!
JB: yes. and if you can get that interview with Rollins or have other things you’d like to submit for our podcast feel free
EP: will do! Thanks!

Thanks again to Adele for taking the time to share and your willingness to chat! Look forward to carrying on the conversation!

Slow to reject

…as Faenza likes to tell his staff, the more times a person has been in jail, been arrested or beaten up, the more welcome he will be at the center.

“We want this place to be very slow to reject anybody,” Faenza says. “You don’t have to be likable to deserve services. You can be aggravating and annoying and still deserve services….They are not going to act grateful. But you can’t lecture. You can’t coerce. You can’t shame people.”

This comes from a story about The Bridge – a homeless shelter in Dallas. I hope my home, my community group, my tribe, my communities of faith are the same way. I would hate to know a homeless shelter is more welcoming than the Body of Christ.